> This is already a remarkable range of ideas. No doubt, we can make do
> with this list. But it would be better if we had a few more "wild
> guesses."
>
> I think that most of us have a vague notion about what happens in the
> transition zone between the our experiences, thoughts and imagination
> and the real world. Some of us think in terms of what the differences
> between the brain and mind are. Others prefer to picture this as the
> difference between heaven and earth. Are there one or two more
> thoughtful people still out there that have the courage to throw their
> favorite best guess ideas into the ring?
>
> Norm McPhail
hi my name is sasha i am 34 years old man born in belgrad serbia living in
vienna austria working on a concept of bringing
religion science policy economie culture and work together into a
universal societal system wich will have the goal for common understanding
about the origine of this universe we live in and the world in large
becouse i have studied the vedic scriptures-veda means knowledge in
sanscrit and is a compilation on many knowledge aspects for some time as
a young monk so i am now trying to unite the
religious/theological/philosophical and scientific political economican
and cultural world views we have today into a global world view
the problem with the scientific world views is that they do the botom up
aproach there is a problem with this kind of aproach
like for a ant it is dificult to try to understand the world from the
point of view she/we are in
as for a ant she may be living in a house and a city and this city is a
part of a country wich is a part of a continent wich is on this planet
wich is a small part of a imens big universe wich is one of many wich ...
it will be dificult and almost imposible for a ant to find out the origine
of this system by studying the consitance of way she goes and the food she
finds
i was yesterday at a leacture about the "theorie of everything" by
prof.stewen hawking hier in vienna and it was very impressive but the
problem with the hard physics world view they can not explain our
societal systems by the means of physics - there is no way to come up from
the situation in subatomic space to the situations in our countries
economies etc..
so my aproach is to use from each part of the society the best they can
offer and put it all working together
in religion and philosophie the "ultimate highest point in the system"
is the "absolute truth" wich is a description for the "highest posible
truth about the real origine and the structure of the wholle system"
the wholle system is the sum up of all existence-in "my" world view
this is this unviverse many other unvierses-see
http://www.sciam.com/1998/0398cosmos/0398linde.html all universes together
are callt material world wich itself is a part of the antimaterial world
wich hase no time and space boundaries any more but hase a origine
the origine of all energy the absolute truth the highest point in the
system callt "world"
in my try to bring the religion and science together i have chosen the
the way of abstractest system-theoretical and philosophie of mathematics
research available
the concept of big bang-and nothing befor ? is like you have a bunch of
stones and if you put some dynamite below it and blow it up it will build
a house? you can try it good luck :-)
it is needed a incredible amount of intelligence to compile this
increadible complex system we call earth living entities planets
unvierse/s ....
as in our case you need a architect than he makes a plan than you angage
some companys than buy some materials angage some workers etc.. all this
things have to be done .. than you have a house -you can call it evolution
of the house but it is done by some inteligence and living entities-so
with your eyes you see a hous growing but with your brain you understand
there was many thinking and work behind it ! it is dificult to find out
something about the person who plans the house by studying the stones and
walls etc ..
similar to this our universe is done and managed by higher level of
intelligence living entities-remember the problem a ant hase to understand
the system of a city she is living in-she dont sees and understnads the
city at all and the human entities living there :-) so similar we have
also not the posibilitys to see and understand higher dimensional
intelligence wich suround us ..
so what is the highest complexity we human can think about or what is our
"highest posible system" understanding ?
"infinity" we will say
as i have spocken yesterday after the lecture personaly with prof.hawking
who is mathematican about the future rolle of mathematics for physics
research-he hase cited a colegue who said "physics is dead it is already
only mathematics"-they will not be ablle to achive the needed energy to go
as deep into the matter as the plank length is-wich is needed to veryfy
something like supersymetrie etc ..:-) the only way to go on is
research in mathematics and systemstheorie
so "infinity" is a big problem in physics today they can not do
calculations with infinity
so my question is
what is the "basic structure" and "the system" of infinity and
"where it comes from"
we should be ablle to study such complex systemtheoretical concepts
as a training for even more complex systems :-) like
absolute system
without the concept of absolute systems there is no way to understand any
part of it complitely if not considering any "partial system" in his
relations to the "wholle system"
and also the existence of the wholle system can not be understand without
the concept of the absolute
absolute is a very abstract-actualy the highest philosophical concept
wich i have tryed to make accesable to science by using a "mathematical"
model to explain it
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6 8
5 1 9
4 2
3
1 Suprime Personality of Godhead
2 His Divine Ego
3 His Divine Intwelligence
4 Hid Divine Mind
5 .......... Ether
6 .......... Air
7 .......... Faier
8 .......... Water
9 .......... Earth
what i am trying to do is to make a "systemathik of everything"
you can not understand the existence of personality-comming out of
chemicals ?-if yes than try it do mix some chemicals and make some living
entity .. good luck :-) without asuming that the personality must be a
property of the origine of this system we call the universe
so i have mixed hier many things and not done it systemathicaly and is
sounds for you not "very scientific"-i am not a scientist more something
like a universalist :-)
but it is a "very wild guess" i guess :-)
thanks
sascha
ps.i am interested in any hints about very very very complex systems
research as stated on the principia cybernetica project server
"ultra meta-systems" :-)
or just simple
"absolute (truth) systems"