Re: NPR's report on the cosmology conference

Norman K. McPhail (norm@SOCAL.WANET.COM)
Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:19:49 -0700


I agree Don. There is a lot to be gained from a deeper understanding and
broader
interpretation of the existing reservoir of knowledge and experience we humans
have
amassed over the centuries. And as we've said many times before, locational
"or"
logic is appropriate in attempting to model many limited aspects of physics and
biology. So we also ought not to throw out all that science and empirical "or"
logic analyses have accomplished in the last two or three hundred years.

NKM

Don Mikulecky wrote:

> Don Mikulecky replies:
> One rather simple way to make use of this understanding of complexity is to
> simply
> recognize the validity of already existing endeavors which were looked down
upon
> by
> "hard" science or rejected as "non-scientific". Of course there are new
avenues
> to
> go down, but can't we do a lot by merely retracing our steps and looking at
> everything for a change?
> Don
>
> Norman K. McPhail wrote:
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> > In my view, the next step is to consider how our human thought and
> > understanding do this mapping and interpreting. I think we are prone to use
> > inappropriate logic or thought modes in our mapping and interpretations of
> > physics, biology and our human understanding. The distortions that result
> > are what I call our blind spot.
> >
> > Rosen's notion that complex systems can't be modeled is just another way of
> > saying that we need to use more than what I call simple either/or logic to
> > chart out all these realms. And logic allows us to transcend the
constraints
> > of both physics and biology in our mapping and interpreting. We are all
> > capable of assimilating and easily understanding multiple views, models and
> > systems. We just make this impossible when we hog-tie our selves with
> > either/or logic.
> >
> > NKM
> >
> > Don Mikulecky wrote:
> >
> > > Don Mikulecky adds:
> > >
> > > Thanks Alexei!
> > > In my seminar on measurement,
> > > http://views.vcu.edu/~mikuleck/courses/measure/sld034.htm (through slide
> > > 37) I illustrate the way the van der Waals equation can be cast as a
> > > mapping and interpreted in totally biological terms (genotype, phenotype,
> > > environmental influences, etc.).
> > > Respectfully,
> > > Don Mikulecky
> > >
> > > Alexei Sharov wrote:
> > >
> > > > Don wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Rosen reminded us of Rashevsky's observation that the laws of
> > > > >physics are obeyed by all living organisms yet none can be predicted
> > > > >from those laws. He went further to assert that biology was far
> > > > >more "general" than physics.
> > > >
> > > > I fully support this! Time is a kind of "currency" that organisms
> > > > can "spend" on various activities. Space repesents organism's
> > > > freedom to move around. Force represents organism's interaction
> > > > with individual components of the world, etc. I believe we can
> > > > reformulate the whole physics in biological terms.
> > > >
> > > > -Alexei
> > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > Alexei Sharov Research Scientist
> > > > Dept. of Entomology, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061
> > > > Tel. (540) 231-7316; FAX (540) 231-9131; e-mail sharov@vt.edu
> > > > Home page: http://www.gypsymoth.ento.vt.edu/~sharov/alexei.html
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> > In my view, the next step is to consider how our human thought and
> understanding
> > do this mapping and interpreting.&nbsp; I think we are prone to use
> > inappropriate
> > logic or thought modes in our mapping and interpretations of physics,
biology
> > and our human understanding.&nbsp; The distortions that result are what
> > I call our blind spot.
> > <P>Rosen's notion that complex systems can't be modeled is just another
> > way of saying that we need to use more than what I call simple
> > <B><I>either/or</I></B>
> > logic to chart out all these realms.&nbsp; <B><I>And</I></B> logic allows
> > us to transcend the constraints of both physics and biology in our mapping
> > and interpreting.&nbsp; We are all capable of assimilating and easily
> > understanding
> > multiple views, models and systems.&nbsp; We just make this impossible
> > when we hog-tie our selves with <B><I>either/or</I></B> logic.
> > <P>NKM
> > <P>Don Mikulecky wrote:
> > <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Don Mikulecky adds:
> > <P>Thanks Alexei!
> > <BR>In my seminar on measurement,
> > <BR><A
> >
>
HREF="http://views.vcu.edu/~mikuleck/courses/measure/sld034.htm">http://views.v
> > cu.edu/~mikuleck/courses/measure/sld034.htm</A>&nbsp;
> > (through slide
> > <BR>37) I illustrate the way the van der Waals equation can be cast as
> > a
> > <BR>mapping and interpreted in totally biological terms (genotype,
phenotype,
> > <BR>environmental influences, etc.).
> > <BR>Respectfully,
> > <BR>Don Mikulecky
> > <P>Alexei Sharov wrote:
> > <P>> Don wrote:
> > <BR>>
> > <BR>> >Rosen reminded us of Rashevsky's observation that the laws of
> > <BR>> >physics are obeyed by all living organisms yet none can be predicted
> > <BR>> >from those laws.&nbsp; He went further to assert that biology was
> > far
> > <BR>> >more "general" than physics.
> > <BR>>
> > <BR>> I fully support this! Time is a kind of "currency" that organisms
> > <BR>> can "spend" on various activities. Space repesents organism's
> > <BR>> freedom to move around. Force represents organism's interaction
> > <BR>> with individual components of the world, etc. I believe we can
> > <BR>> reformulate the whole physics in biological terms.
> > <BR>>
> > <BR>> -Alexei
> > <BR>> -------------------------------------------------
> > <BR>> Alexei
> >
>
Sharov&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&
> >
>
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> > bsp;&nbsp;
> > Research Scientist
> > <BR>> Dept. of Entomology, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061
> > <BR>> Tel. (540) 231-7316;&nbsp;&nbsp; FAX (540) 231-9131; e-mail
> sharov@vt.edu
> > <BR>> Home page: <A
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