NKM
Don Mikulecky wrote:
> Don Mikulecky replies:
> One rather simple way to make use of this understanding of complexity is to
> simply
> recognize the validity of already existing endeavors which were looked down
upon
> by
> "hard" science or rejected as "non-scientific". Of course there are new
avenues
> to
> go down, but can't we do a lot by merely retracing our steps and looking at
> everything for a change?
> Don
>
> Norman K. McPhail wrote:
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> > In my view, the next step is to consider how our human thought and
> > understanding do this mapping and interpreting. I think we are prone to use
> > inappropriate logic or thought modes in our mapping and interpretations of
> > physics, biology and our human understanding. The distortions that result
> > are what I call our blind spot.
> >
> > Rosen's notion that complex systems can't be modeled is just another way of
> > saying that we need to use more than what I call simple either/or logic to
> > chart out all these realms. And logic allows us to transcend the
constraints
> > of both physics and biology in our mapping and interpreting. We are all
> > capable of assimilating and easily understanding multiple views, models and
> > systems. We just make this impossible when we hog-tie our selves with
> > either/or logic.
> >
> > NKM
> >
> > Don Mikulecky wrote:
> >
> > > Don Mikulecky adds:
> > >
> > > Thanks Alexei!
> > > In my seminar on measurement,
> > > http://views.vcu.edu/~mikuleck/courses/measure/sld034.htm (through slide
> > > 37) I illustrate the way the van der Waals equation can be cast as a
> > > mapping and interpreted in totally biological terms (genotype, phenotype,
> > > environmental influences, etc.).
> > > Respectfully,
> > > Don Mikulecky
> > >
> > > Alexei Sharov wrote:
> > >
> > > > Don wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Rosen reminded us of Rashevsky's observation that the laws of
> > > > >physics are obeyed by all living organisms yet none can be predicted
> > > > >from those laws. He went further to assert that biology was far
> > > > >more "general" than physics.
> > > >
> > > > I fully support this! Time is a kind of "currency" that organisms
> > > > can "spend" on various activities. Space repesents organism's
> > > > freedom to move around. Force represents organism's interaction
> > > > with individual components of the world, etc. I believe we can
> > > > reformulate the whole physics in biological terms.
> > > >
> > > > -Alexei
> > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > Alexei Sharov Research Scientist
> > > > Dept. of Entomology, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061
> > > > Tel. (540) 231-7316; FAX (540) 231-9131; e-mail sharov@vt.edu
> > > > Home page: http://www.gypsymoth.ento.vt.edu/~sharov/alexei.html
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> > In my view, the next step is to consider how our human thought and
> understanding
> > do this mapping and interpreting. I think we are prone to use
> > inappropriate
> > logic or thought modes in our mapping and interpretations of physics,
biology
> > and our human understanding. The distortions that result are what
> > I call our blind spot.
> > <P>Rosen's notion that complex systems can't be modeled is just another
> > way of saying that we need to use more than what I call simple
> > <B><I>either/or</I></B>
> > logic to chart out all these realms. <B><I>And</I></B> logic allows
> > us to transcend the constraints of both physics and biology in our mapping
> > and interpreting. We are all capable of assimilating and easily
> > understanding
> > multiple views, models and systems. We just make this impossible
> > when we hog-tie our selves with <B><I>either/or</I></B> logic.
> > <P>NKM
> > <P>Don Mikulecky wrote:
> > <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Don Mikulecky adds:
> > <P>Thanks Alexei!
> > <BR>In my seminar on measurement,
> > <BR><A
> >
>
HREF="http://views.vcu.edu/~mikuleck/courses/measure/sld034.htm">http://views.v
> > cu.edu/~mikuleck/courses/measure/sld034.htm</A>
> > (through slide
> > <BR>37) I illustrate the way the van der Waals equation can be cast as
> > a
> > <BR>mapping and interpreted in totally biological terms (genotype,
phenotype,
> > <BR>environmental influences, etc.).
> > <BR>Respectfully,
> > <BR>Don Mikulecky
> > <P>Alexei Sharov wrote:
> > <P>> Don wrote:
> > <BR>>
> > <BR>> >Rosen reminded us of Rashevsky's observation that the laws of
> > <BR>> >physics are obeyed by all living organisms yet none can be predicted
> > <BR>> >from those laws. He went further to assert that biology was
> > far
> > <BR>> >more "general" than physics.
> > <BR>>
> > <BR>> I fully support this! Time is a kind of "currency" that organisms
> > <BR>> can "spend" on various activities. Space repesents organism's
> > <BR>> freedom to move around. Force represents organism's interaction
> > <BR>> with individual components of the world, etc. I believe we can
> > <BR>> reformulate the whole physics in biological terms.
> > <BR>>
> > <BR>> -Alexei
> > <BR>> -------------------------------------------------
> > <BR>> Alexei
> >
>
Sharov &
> >
>
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> > bsp;
> > Research Scientist
> > <BR>> Dept. of Entomology, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061
> > <BR>> Tel. (540) 231-7316; FAX (540) 231-9131; e-mail
> sharov@vt.edu
> > <BR>> Home page: <A
> >
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