Re: Rosen's concept of time and complexity

Norman K. McPhail (norm@SOCAL.WANET.COM)
Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:05:29 -0800


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"John J. Kineman" wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Yes , good and necessary point. I meant this statement to refer to how we
> model our external environment, e.g., what we think "rocks" are. Even there
> we may have some disagreement, but that is the case I am referring to.
>

John:

I think we agree that when we are just examining the macro physical
aspects of our rock, it makes sense to use an "or" logic frame of
reference. And hopefully, we may also agree that when we move into the
non physical realms, the straight jacket of the traditional locational
temporal doesn't work very well.

So as I noted in my piece on THE UNDERSTANDING ROCK (
http://204.94.86.93/30.html ), when we try to model some aspects linked
to the macro physical realms but still beyond those realms, we need to
make sure we switch to "and" logic. A good example of this is when we
consider all the data or information our rock holds and trades with
other macro environmental entities.

Norm

> At 02:43 PM 2/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
> ....Our minds have very few alternatives to usual time/space
> >> concepts for reference, making it hard to think in other terms.
> >> >
> >
> >I can't fully agree with this last sentence John. ...
> >our minds can also dwell in imaginary and symbolic realms where
> >time and location are of little or no consequence....
> >Norm
>
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> John J. Kineman, Physical Scientist/Ecologist
> National Geophysical Data Center
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