Re: [pcp-discuss:] Re: Fwd: Comments on _One Half Of A Manifesto_ by Jaron Lanier

From: John J Kineman (John.J.Kineman@noaa.gov)
Date: Tue Nov 14 2000 - 20:00:15 GMT

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    Steve,

    This sounds quite right to me. I think we create an artificial
    distinction between "science" and philosophy and that tends to get
    institutionalized. Then science gets defined as something separate,
    which it isn't. Which isn't to say science can't be distinguished within
    philosophy, just that it isn't separate, right?

    steve wrote:
    >
    > > I think that most philosophers agree that the philosophy of science is a
    > > part of philosophy. But wouldn't they also say that the whole of
    > > philosophy goes well beyond the realms of science?
    > >
    > > NKM
    > >
    > > Menno RUBINGH wrote:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Philosophy"s ". . .ultimate *goal* is
    > > > practical, and firmly embedded in down-to-earth, practical, pragmatic,
    > > > technology."
    >
    > I don't see how the two can be separated.
    > Science is "natural philosophy" which apprehends
    > the entire natural world. As science (linguistics,
    > cognitive science, etc) make inroads into a
    > science of language and understanding and
    > consciousness, the line is blurred again, some
    > more, forever.
    >
    > Godel's incompleteness theorem would seem
    > to typify the interlockedness of the two.
    >
    > Meanwhile, we all have our own personal
    > relationship to science and the mystery
    > that comes with it. For only a very few
    > does science seem to evaporate the mystery,
    > for most, I contend, it merely adds beauty
    > and complexity to the simple mysteries
    > such as existence, duality of form and
    > function, form and substance.
    >
    > I do not see how, until we become machines
    > or Vulcans, that one can exclude the other.
    > And even then, we suspect both machines
    > and Vulcans of being capable of apprehending
    > beauty, art, philosophy and the rest of us
    > of accepting beauty, art and philosophy as
    > not excluding science.
    >
    > Steve Smith
    > TSA-5 LANL
    > 505-665-3377
    > sas@lanl.gov
    >
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