What we MEAN when we say "complexity"

Cliff Joslyn (joslyn@C3SERVE.C3.LANL.GOV)
Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:10:19 -0600


> Don Mikulecky replies:
> Most all of nature as i know it is self organizing. Shake up oil and
> water...they
> separate....put a drop of dye in the water..it spreads out. is this self
> organization or not? If not why not?
> respectfully,

That's a good one.

Here's another:

Classical thermodynamics experiment, closed container with two
internal chambers separated by a wall. State 1: gas in equilibrium on
one side, vacuum on the other, no leakage. State 2: open the wall, gas
comes to new equilibrium in both chambers.

Which state is more organized? Which more complex? Which more ordered?
Which has higher entropy? What kind of entropy?

The REAL question: how many SYSTEMS are there? In state 1? In state 2?

Hint: How you ask the question is far more important than what your
answer is.

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