Re: Non Physical Experience
Dr. Gary Boyd (boydg@VAX2.CONCORDIA.CA)
Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:21:33 -0400
AH this does indeed look like something solid to argue about:
At 10:24 26/06/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Don Mikulecky replies:
>
>
>I thought this kind of distortion was the property of the press, but it
>appears not.What I have been writing about here and elsewhere is the life
work
>of Robert Rosen. I resent a brilliant scholar's work being thrown into a
>hopper as a wild assed guess.
>
>Rosen saw in the 1950's that traditional science had put on blinders when it
>came to the issue of the complexity of real systems. He then established the
>following:
>1.There is a clear, unambiguous distinction between our perception of systems
>as simple mechanisms or as complex systems.
>2.Dealing with complex systems NECESSARILY means dealing with more than the
>physical constituents since complex systems are irreducible.
That seems like a category-error non-sequitur : since
all emergent levels of existence/being are BOTH non-explainable purely with
the descriptors of more elementary (evolutionary pre-decessor )levels and yet
they also are phenomena which exist only through (vastly complex)
mass-energy activity, and
therefore are inevitably dealt with physically. (Our thoughts are neuronal
electrochemical activity etc.)
>3.Relationships between functional components are far more important than how
>the pieces fit together and these two aspects do not map into each other in
>any 1:1 manner.
In a sense at the `real' physical level there are no "pieces" just
mass/energy flux interaction.
>4.Complex systems have more than one way with which they can be interacted.
>These are distinct(not derivable from each other).
>This is just a glimpse of what is at stake here. It's substance requires
hard
>work and study to master.
I don't think you will get very far by making fun
>of it or by ignoring it.
OK, agreed.
>respectfully,
>Don Mikulecky
>
Professor Gary Boyd, Education (Educational Technology Graduate
Programme)Concordia University,
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