Re: Non Physical Experience

Norman K. McPhail (norm@SOCAL.WANET.COM)
Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:59:20 -0700


Norman K. McPhail wrote:
Now we have six "wild guesses" that I've tried to boil down as
follows:

1. Walter Fritz thinks that we can get a computer to produce these non
physical effects and that it can all be reduced to objective physical
objects and processes.
2. Don Mikulecky suggests we use Rosen's catagory theory that deals with
objects and their models as relational.

3. John Kineman proposes that existence and experience are one and that
the becoming experience may be quantum related.

4. Norm McPhail submits that the qualities of non physical data somehow
transpose into effecting physical differences.

5. Alexei Sharov considers it possible that physical existance is a
condition or expression of meaning.

6. Sascha Ignjatovic postulates a Godhead/mathematics holistic system
that may be analagous to infinity. He suggests that to understand the
whole system, we ought to approach it from several perspectives.

There are now six of us that are willing to take a "wild guess" about
the nature of non physical pnemomena. With the possible exceptions of
Walter and Don, I think most of us would admit that we haven't got a
clue.

At least some of us think that our guesses are pure speculation and
conjecture. But as Don says, this is CENTRAL. So we're willing to go
out on a limb to see if there might be some way to get at this forbidden
non physical fruit.

This is already a remarkable range of ideas. So perhaps we can go
forward from here. Don says:

> Sorry, what I have been talking about is far more than a mere guess. It has
> been carefully developed (and ignored) for the last 40 years. It is rigorous
> and robust. For me it makes sense out of what we had to guess about before!
>

We could all go read the book, but that would probably be the end of
this discussion. So perhaps Don would be willing to boil it down to a
few main points.

Then maybe we could take those points and edit them into a mutually
agreed upon framework of sorts. From there we might proceed to discuss
each of our individual notions.

But perhaps this is to formal. Maybe we should just proceed and let the
exchanges go without any initial framework.

Don, why don't you take a poll and then take it from there.

Norm McPhail