(Fwd) Re: Nest of self- concepts

Onar Aam (onar@HSR.NO)
Tue, 29 Aug 1995 13:59:44 +0100


resent

Let me repeat myself..

> >self-reproducing is a subset of self-producing (autopoiesis)

This is not true, unitl proven differently I assume that there are
systems that are not selfproducing but are self-reproducing
[hypercycles].

> >self-reproducing is a subset of replicating

This is true,

> >self-producing is a subset of self-organized

This is true

> >dissipative structures is a subset of the self-organized

Is this not the other way around?

> >autopoiesis (self-production) is a subset of dissipative structures.

true

If my correction are right [are they?] the following will be
wrong...:-(

>
> OK, graph this out (abbreviating as obvious):
>
> Repl.
> |
> V
> ---> SP -> SR
> |
> SO
> |
> ---> Diss -> Autop.
>
> which begs a lot of questions:
>
> *) what's the relation between dissipative and self-producing? Are they
> disjoint?

Selfproducing systems are always dissipative

>
> *) Similarly for autopoeitic and self-referential.

This one I am not sure about, I think that autopoietic systems are
always self-referential

>
> *) What is both replicative and NOT self-organizing?

A system that is replicated by another system is [virus]

>
> *) Etc.

If you could spell out the etc that would be usefull..

Hope our messages donot cross too much.....

Have a nice weekend, I am going home!

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