> Two claims seem further justification:
>
> self-reproducing is a subset of replicating
> -------------------------------------------
> A scientist may replicate an experiment of others. The experiment, however, is
> not self-reproducing because it is neither producing itself nor producing a
copy
> of itself. A virus is replicated using a host-DNA. The virus, however, does
not
> produce itself nor use its own machinery to replicate itself and is therefore
> not self-reproducing.
>
> self-reproducing is a subset of autopoiesis
> -------------------------------------------
> The term "producing" indicates that some action is being done: something is
> produced. the "re" prefix indicates that something is being produced over
again
> (i.e. replicated). The "self" prefix indicates that the system is doing it
> itself. self-reproduction is thus a subset of autopoiesis because it is a
> particular kind of action performed by the autopoietic system.
>
I can agree with that, thuogh want to test my insights about this
statement 'self producing is a subset of autopoiesis' [or
self-production].
This does not mean that:
- a self-producing system is capable of self-reproducing
- a selfreproducing system must be autopoietic
- a self-producing system can arize without self-reproduction or the
involvment from systems that are self-reproducing [including the
computerprogrammer, if you count computer programmes in autopoietic.
So what is the use of making the set-theory statement? Isn't it so
that set-theory does a poor job for processes of change, and that the
processes we are talking about are about change [at leaqst
replication and self-reproduction are invloved in a lot of change
processes]. Isn't set-theory good for classes, sets etc, but not for
historical processes?
I am not trying to upset those who are in set-theory, but to
understand what are the boundaries of it; what you can and cannot do
with it. It seems to me that the set-statement about subsets only
works confusing [at least to me].
Hans-Cees
Theories come and go, the frog stays [F. Jacob]
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