>> Very simply stated the difference between a dissipative system and an
>> autopoietic> system is that the latter is internally controlled while the
dissipative system
>> is externally controlled.
>
>A good example would be cristalline-growth and the growth of a colony
>of bacteria.
I'm not sure how you relate growth to internax/external control. Could you
explicate?
>> Autopoiesis must be "pre-adapted". That is, the right conditions need to
evolve
>> in order for it to emerge. Autopoiesis without some "grounding" is UTOPIC,
>> (which of course doesn't make it any less real.) in other words impossible.
>
>I think this is the same as what I just said.
Yes, but as I see it there are TWO paths to autopoiesis. One, evolved from a
purely dissipative structure, and two, evolved from dissipative replicating
systems. Now, both involves evolution in a sense, but only one of the paths
involve self-replication.
>From the biologist view of evolution this is turning the world upside
>down, since autopoiesis in organisms [living systems] cannot arize without
>evolution, and being autopoietic has evolved by natural selection
I think it is dangerous to say that evolution = reproduction. It is fully
possible to conceive of an evolving system that does not self-replicate.
Onar.